@freakboy3742 @hynek god damnit are you going to make me recommend emacs, because I think emacs might actually be pretty good now. it's amazing how you can get to the front of the marathon by remaining completely motionless for decades while everyone else just slowly runs backwards

@glyph @hynek intellectually, I feel like I should like Emacs. The underlying idea is closely aligned with ideas I like. But every time I try it, I end up gagging because it has spent *no* effort over the last 30 years to look and behave like *every other app on my desktop*. Or, to the extent it has, it’s a set of carefully crafted customizations in one user’s config. Every tutorial I’ve ever found starts with “relearn all your keyboard shortcuts for page-up”.

Has any of that changed?

@freakboy3742 @glyph @hynek That's got to be up there with the shaviest of yak shaves

@bmispelon @freakboy3742 @glyph @hynek There is some parallel to the TeX ur-story :D

@rami @bmispelon @glyph @hynek Oh - my thesis was written in LaTeX, and I’m aware of the parallels. Right down to an awareness that Knuth is 86 years old, and Volume 4 (of what was originally planned to be 7?) of TAOCP isn’t done yet :-)